Birth
and Babies
The
information provided is the opinion of Welsh's Honeybuns based on our
experiences and care. Different breeders will have different opinions.
For any health issues always check with your rabbit vet on questions
regarding the proper care!
Issues
Discussed:
Babies | Breeding | Birthing
| Birthing Complications | Births
a couple days apart |
Cannibalism | Colors
and Genetics | Care of Doe | Dead
kits | Fostering / Feeding
Abandoned Kits | Handling kits | | Line Breeding | Nose
Clearing
| Peanuts | Peeing | Stuck
Kits
Breeding
- Please be responsible with your breeding! If you are not ready for
babies do not put bucks and does together even if you think
they won't do anything, or if you've heard things such as 'heat makes
the buck temporarily sterile so they cannot breed in the summer'
(only true in extreme heat) etc. Rabbits are extremely prolific and
you will end up with babies if you put a buck and doe together.
What age are they ready? That depends on the breed and the size of
your rabbit. Although they sexually mature around 4 months, average
wait time is 6 months. They can have babies every 30 days, will get
pregnant again on the same day they had babies (if with a buck),
and can be pregnant with 2 litters at the same time. Bucks mature
slower than the does on average and may 'shoot blanks' for a while..
NOTE: We make sure the buck is similar in size or smaller than the
doe - especially with first time mothers. If we have a proven doe
who has had several litters we will consider breeding to a larger
buck if we need to. Rabbits breed best at mornings and evenings.
Take the doe to the bucks cage. This way the buck is not distracted
by new surroundings. Sometimes the doe will attack the buck if he
is brought to her cage. Sometimes the does will run around the cage
first. This is OK. If she's ready, she will quickly stretch out and
put her tail up. Sometimes the buck (especially if he is young) will
jump on the wrong end of the doe. He may sit on her face or on her
side. Eventually he'll get it right. If you have a new buck and a
proven doe she will usually rearrange herself to be in the correct
position. Once they are 'lined up' correctly it only takes a few
seconds. The buck will usually squeak loudly and will fall off to
the side. Leave them in for a few minutes more to see if they will
breed again. This can increase your litter size and your chances
in general. Once she is finished with him (after 2 or 3 times) she
will likely become hostile. She will put her butt squarely on the
bottom of the cage and may even attack the buck if he bothers her.
At that point separate them.
Line
Breeding
Line breeding is breeding within a family such as mother to son or father
to daughter. This is used when you want to enhance a good trait within
the 2 rabbits. You do not want to breed brother to sister because the
lines are too close. Line breeding should only be done with 2 carefully
chosen rabbits for good traits. If they both have a bad trait, the line
breeding will not help. Here
is a good chart on line breeding. It shows what the results of your
crosses will be.
Quick
and Simple Colors and Genetics
What
color babies will I get from my parents? Although genetics sound complicated,
there are simple ways to start figuring your colors. Based on each parent's
pedigree you can figure the likely color of your litters.
Use your rabbit's color to find the 'genotype' on this list. http://www.sociablerabbitry.com/us.htm
Once you know the basic genotype either from a pedigree from your breeder,
or from a genotype list Click here to simply
enter your parent genotypes in a calculator to see the baby colors you
will get.
There will inevitably be some 'unknowns' in your genotype so you may get
surprise colors. This is all part of the fun when breeding rabbits AND
these new colors help you fill in the unknowns in your parent's genetics.
Care
of Doe - after a doe is bred she will become extremely moody. The
timing varies. Sometimes it is immediate and sometimes she doesn't become
moody until a week or so before.
Until
you know your doe and how she will behave it is best to keep all other
rabbits away from her.
About
2 weeks before she is due we put her on higher protein food for pregnant
and lactating does. You can also add calfmana to her feed in order to
get her the protein she needs. You only need about a teaspoon in her food.
These can usually be found at any feed stores. About 3 days before birth
we give her Tums (1 per
day in 1/2 pieces) in order to supply extra calcium for labor and contractions.
We use the berry flavored tums and they love them. You can also use spinach
and other calcium rich foods instead.
After
a doe is bred typically she will have her litter 30 days later. This
can vary by a  few
days so it is best to have the nest box in with her at 28 days (at the
latest). You don't want to put it in too early or she may use the box
as a litterbox. If you put some straw in her cage and you notice that
she gathers the straw (or even her feed hay) in her mouth (see picture
at left) and starts going to each corner of the cage, she is ready for
a nest box no matter how early it is. Fill the nest box with plenty
of straw and put it in a corner of the cage. She will arrange the straw
how she wants and right before birth will usually pull her belly fur
out to line the nest. She may pull so much that she is bald on the lower
half of her body. That is ok. If you don't want to use straw you can
also use 'litter saver' filler from KWCages.
We use this with first time mothers because sometimes they don't pull
enough fur for the litter. It is a very light, all natural fluffy warm
filler. Its perfect for next boxes, doesn't entangle the babies and
is pretty cheap. The nest box should be just a little bigger than her
whole body. This will allow her to maneuver around her babies. It doesn't
need to be much bigger than that. You can have a lid on the box but
it is not required (see picture on left). Our does typically like to
sit on the top of the box in order to be up higher. If the doe makes
her nest outside of the box on the wire floor keep a close eye in order
to catch the babies soon after they are born. At that time move the whole
next that she has made, into the nest box. Even if ours have the babies
outside of the box, they usually do not have a problem with you moving
them into the box after the birth. Note:Make
sure the box does not have a slick floor. The babies need something
that will not cause them to slide around. This can cause leg 'splay'
and ruin whole litters. We do not use metal floored nest boxes
for this reason. She will almost stop eating and drinking immediately
before she has her litter. But she should pick up again right after
she has the babies. During birth, the doe's levels of calcium can drop
to a dangerous low. Providing spinach and/or a crushed up fruit flavored
tums can help get her back to safe levels.
Birthing
- Kindling
There will probably be some blood. You may see some around the cage or
in the nest box. It won't be tons of blood but will probably be smeared
here and there. When the mom is having the babies she will usually be
sitting in the nest box. Some new moms run around an have babies on
the wire. It just depends on the mom. Just watch and make sure babies
end up in the box so they stay warm. There will also be afterbirth which
the doe typically eats. If it's left in the nest box just remove it. The
number of kits depends greatly on the breed and size of your doe. Netherlands
typically have 2-4 kits (less in their first litter) and Lionheads typically
have 6-8 (less in their first litter). A first time doe will likely
have still-born babies and sometimes will lose the whole litter. This
is not unusual. sometimes there will be 'peanuts'
in the smaller breeds. She also may have babies on the wire'. Meaning,
she may have babies outside of the nest box on the floor or in the litterbox
etc. If these are not caught quickly they will freeze. If you are caught
by surprise and don't have a nestbox, get a shoebox and put in some
straw (hay is typically not warm enough by itself). Gently place the
babies on the straw. Do not put cloth in the nest. The babies can become
entangled in it or beneath it. Then just leave them with the mother.
First time does may not pull fur until after the litter is born. That's
ok and they will learn with future litters to pull it ahead of time.
The first time they may not pull enough - or even pull so much that
they leave bald patches. We usually gather extra fur from other litters
and save the fur for the new mothers. We will put some in the nest box
before the babies are born. We also take fur from the netherlands boxes
and use it for the Lionheads so the Lionheads won't pull so much of
their mane. If you do want to keep hair, keep it in a paper bag. This
will keep the hair smelling clean and will allow the hair to stay dry
and to 'breathe'. Or you can use KWCages
'litter saver'. It's a natural, no smell, fluffy warm filler for nest
boxes. Its wonderful stuff, keeps the babies very warm, the mother doesn't
pull a ton of her hair out and it doesn't entangle the babies. It's
also pretty cheap. Once the doe is pulling fur she is very close to
having the babies (if she hasn't had them already). Make sure she is
in a quiet, protected place and is not disturbed. It will take about
20 minutes for her to have the litter once she has started. Usually
the doe will stop eating, drinking and pooping right before she has
the babies. She will start doing these things after she is finished.
The doe will probably wait a few hours before she feeds them the first
time so don't worry if you don't see her near them. You can touch
the babies soon after birth. We always check to make sure there are
no dead babies in the box, that everyone is warm and doesn't need help.
Once you've checked on them - leave them alone for a while so the mom
doesn't get agitated. Some new moms can get agitated and confused
so try not to bother her a lot in the first day or so. New babies need
to stay warm - but you should keep newborns inside during the summer so
they do not overheat. 80 degrees is dangerous. Unless you are a breeder
- and have worked with litters a while to know what is safe and not safe
-keep them inside so the temperature can be moderated. Note: many first
time does will lose their entire first litter. This is normal and does
not mean the doe is a bad doe. First time moms are not always that great.
Also, if you have litters in the winter and spring, the mortality rate
(abandoned litters, crushed litters etc) can be quite high. Most breeders
will breed a doe at least 3 times before they decide whether or not she
is a successful breeder. First time
moms will usually have smaller litters than experienced moms. This could
even be just one large baby. That's normal.
Birthing
(Kindling) Complications
There are many types of birthing complications especially with the smaller
breeds. Some issues that we have had are 'stuck babies' and abandoned
babies.
Treatment for stuck babies - Hollands and Netherlands can easily
have stuck babies due to their small bodies. This is more common for first
time mothers. Rabbits usually have the babies very quickly once they start
to kindle- typically within 20 minutes or so. You can tell that babies
are stuck if the mother is continuing to strain or have contractions over
a long period of time. We try to wait an hour or so, in order to make
sure she is still in labor. Although you don't want to disturb a birthing
mother you need to take action if you think her babies are stuck. At that
point your babies are probably no longer alive and will start to quickly
break down. This puts the mother in great risk of toxic shock. You can
gently palpitate the mother's stomach area to see if you feel any babies
(will feel like a marble). If you haven't done this before though it may
be difficult to tell. Check the vent and see if you see a baby. If you
do, you can put a small amount of vaseline on the vent and then try to
gently grab the baby. Pull very very gently at a 90 degree angle from
the doe (if she is sitting normally then you would pull straight down).
Try to pull with the doe's contractions. Do not pull all at once and be
extremely careful not to tear the babies skin - this can cause an infection
in the doe. If you do not see a baby and the doe is continuing to strain
you should see a vet. The vet can tell you how many babies are left as
well as if they are stuck in the birth canal. The vet will also be able
to offer you some shots which will boost the doe's natural contractions.
Sometimes the doe is so weak by the time you find her or take her to the
vet that she cannot push much on her own. Calcium
is the natural trigger for contractions. If you can get the doe to somehow
eat some spinach or something else high in calcium (like cherry Tums)
that will help her to replenish somewhat. Make sure some is available
in her cage at all times in case she does eat. We have found that if the
doe's contractions have stopped,we gently palpate her and she will almost
immediately start 1 set of contractions. We let her rest and continue
this every 20 minutes or so. Eventually - each of our does has had the
babies (although none of the babies have been alive). You know she has
had the last baby when 1. you palpate and don't feel any more 2. you see
the afterbirth and 3. you will notice a large change in her behavior.
She will start to eat and drink almost immediately and she will poop (ours
stop doing all of that when they kindle). She will no longer have contractions
when you palpitate. If any of the babies are born torn or missing parts
you need to contact your vet and put her on antibiotics immediately. This
will help combat infections and toxic shock. The medication tastes like
peppermint (which they love), is not expensive and will greatly help your
doe.
Births a couple days apart
Occasionally babies may be born 1 day and a few more babies may be born
a few days later. This is not a usually a bad thing, although it is rare.
Rabbits can be pregnant with 2 separate litters at the same time. Usually
they are born 2-3 days apart. Just handle the birth as you would with
any other litter. We always leave the nest box in a couple days afterwards
'just in case'. We have found that if a doe has a litter a few days apart
- that she may do that often with future breedings as well. So if a doe
does have babies a few days apart, always make sure you have a nest box
in with the doe for about a week or so "after" for all
future breedings.
Dead Kits
Often first time births will have dead kits. This can be caused by problems
during birthing or by the mom not taking care of them and many many
other reasons. Even in future litters there may often be 1 or 2 dead
kits. It does not mean you have a bad mom or a difficult brood doe.
Contrary to popular belief, rabbits are not usually great mothers.
Rule of thumb for breeders - If the doe did not seem
to have birthing difficulties (such as stuck kits) breed at least 3
times before deciding if you want to continue with this brood doe.
Very very often, the doe will have full healthy litters by the 3rd
time. She will have learned how to take care of them better and the
mortality rate will be much better. Remember that litters in the winter,
or during extreme heat will have a much higher death rate as well.
Moms will abandon them more often, will stop feeding, will sit on them,
not cover them etc. There can be many reasons why a birth is not successful
which is why many breeders will try at least 3 times before deciding
what to do. Narrow hips can cause future problems for future litters
though. Sometimes the second litter will be fine, and sometimes it
can continue to be a very risky situation for her. The health of the
doe should always be your first concern. If narrow hips are a problem,
then you may want to consider using a different doe.
Feeding
Babies (kits)
How to tell if your babies are being fed and treatment for abandoned
babies -In addition to our info below...Here
is an article from islandgems on feeding babies.
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Don't be
alarmed if many of the babies are dead at birth if this is the doe's
first litter. First time mothers can be easily confused especially
if they had the babies on the wire rather than in a nest box. But
most of the time, if you catch them soon enough and put them in a
nest box (even a shoebox will work) the mother will pull her fur and
make a nest. This is a good sign that she's starting to understand
what she needs to be doing. Usually if they do this they will be ok.
On rare occasions they do abandoned the babies. NOTE: don't
be alarmed if you don't see her feeding the babies. Rabbits only
need to be fed a few times for a few minutes a day. Also, most feedings
are done early morning or evening when you may not be around. A way
to tell if they are being fed is if they have 'frog' bellies. See
the pictures below of some well fed babies. Rather than just having
a straight body or having stomachs that are shrunk in after their
rib cage, the babies will have a round belly - protruding out to the
sides like a toad - when they have been fed. You can also check their
nose to see if you see tiny bits of dried milk from when they drink.
If the babies have are warm to the touch then they are likely being
fed. If they feel cool then they probably aren't . Unless the mother
is killing the babies, don't remove them from the mother's cage.
If
you are sure your babies have been abandoned there are a few things you
can do.
Fostering First - you must make sure they keep warm. If they are cool to the touch
they are losing tons of energy trying to keep warm. They will die much
faster if they are cold. The best way we have found to keep warm constantly
is by putting a heating pad underneath the outside of the next box. CAREFUL:
you do not want to overheat them.
Put the
heating pad on LOW and put it about 2-3 inches away from the bottom
of the nest box. (see picture below). This can be done by stacking
books and laying the box in between etc. DO NOT lay the whole nest
box directly on the heating pad (except on the edges of the box if you
need to). They only need a tiny bit of constant warmth in order to stay
warm. Make sure the nest box has some fur from the mother or something
to keep the babies covered. Blankets and cloth are not the best because
the babies usually end up separated from each other around the blanket.
Best
fostering method - You
can try to find a mother who has babies the same age and move the babies
into that nest box. If you put a tiny dab vanilla extract on the head
and tail she should accept them. Watch closely to make sure there are
no problems. If they are cool to the touch after about 12 hours then
they are probably not being fed. They should be nice and warm if they
are well fed. Note: not all does will accept other babies so check
them often. If they continue to get colder after about 4-6 hours, or
if they are injured you will need to try another method.
Second
best fostering method -
you can
hold the mother on her back (gently and making sure she is comfortable)
and 'hook' the babies up - twice a day until they have had their fill.
The key to this is making sure the mother is relaxed. If she is not
relaxed, her body will not let the milk down and the babies will not
receive nourishment. This whole process is much easier if you have
2 people. One person holding the doe and one person managing the babies.
First we usually let the mom sit normally on our lap and we gently
massage underneath her body around the nipples to stimulate the
milk 'drop' (see picture 1). Next we make sure the person holding
the doe is in a very comfortable position. You don't have to have
to move in the middle of a feeding. Sit on the floor and put your
back straight up against a wall. Put a towel across your legs to
give the doe uniform support and to catch babies if they fall off
her. Gently flip her on her back. (see picture 2) One hand is between
her front legs and the other is holding her bottom and her tail
securely (but not hurting her) in order to keep her from kicking
the babies if she gets upset . We tuck her eyes and ears under
my arm/armpit in order to keep her more calm (see picture 3). If
the mother is extremely unhappy she will likely kick with her back
feet. If that is the case you can hold her 2 back feet together
with one hand, instead of holding her butt and tail. Then we gently
rub her stomach a little to get her to relax. Next we put as many
babies (usually about 3 or 4) on her at once. More babies seem to
stimulate the milk more and it makes the process quicker. The quicker
the better because this is very stressful to the mom and usually
they hate it. The longer it takes the more stressed she will get.
The babies will be somewhat frantic at the beginning. Gently move
them to the nipples and keep them on her body. If they fall asleep
on her, gently rub them with a finger to ge them to eat more. If
they continue to fall asleep remove them and add a different baby.
At that point they are usually full, or too weak to continue. If
the mother starts to kick out or try to flip over remove the babies
immediately and release the mother. Let her calm down. Then you
can decide if the babies have gotten some nourishment or if you
want to try again. If the babies have gotten some it is best to
put the mom away so she doesn't get overly annoyed. Feed with this
method 3 times a day if the babies are very skinny or cold. Feed
only 2 times a day if the babies are looking OK. This will reduce
stress to the mom and they are already getting plenty of nourishment.
In
the first few days it may take 1/2 an hour or more for babies to
get any nourishment. This method can be EXTREMELY time
consuming and the milk may not 'come down' right away. That's ok.
Let them eat as long as the doe is laying still and the babies are
trying. After about 4 days the doe should increase milk production
by quite a bit and this should be much easier and faster. Make sure
you rotate the order in which you feed the babies.
If the babies
are first up in the morning, rotate them to the last on in the evening.
This will make sure everyone gets equal nourishment. Once the milk
starts to flow (it can take a while and unfortunately the babies can
get week while they wait) you will see an almost instant filling of the
babie's stomachs. All of a sudden within about 30 seconds to a minute
the babies will be very round and bright pink. After they have eaten
their fill the babies will almost immediately fall asleep. At that time
remove them and put a new baby rabbit in its place. If the milk starts
to flow you usually have a very short time to get all the babies fed
before the milk 'shuts off' again. So if possible, always
have 2-4 babies on the mother at a time so once the milk is
flowing you can feed as many babies as possible at a time. Having multiple
babies on the doe also helps get the milk flowing. 1 baby rabbit will
not usually get the milk going.
How
often do you feed rabbit babies? Try
to feed 3 times a day. Morning, noon and late night. If you can't make
the noon feeding then try to feed them right after you get home from
work and then again late night. Remember to rotate the babies.
Those who are smallest or who look thinnest should eat first. BUT
if they are weak - put the stronger babies on until you know that
the milk is flowing. As soon as you see the strong babies are getting
milk (bellies are getting round and pink) then add the weak babies
on to feed. If possible have 1 person holding and one working with
the babies to make sure they are on the nipples. You should have
3 to 4 babies on the mom at a time because once the milk starts
flowing you need as many babies to get access as quickly as possible.
Can the
baby rabbits be handled? It is a common misconception that
if you handle rabbit babies the mom will no longer feed them. This
is generally false. The mother rabbit doesn't care if the
babies smell like you. But we try to keep handling to a minimum
the first week or so because certain does can become stressed if
your hands are constantly in their cage. They can get really aggitated.
If they get aggitated they tend to do strange things. In very rare
circumstances they may injure a baby etc. But basically it's ok
to handle them. Our babies are each handled and checked out right
after they are born and then every few days after that.
Nose
Clearing: After a few days you may notice some of them
eating less and becoming cool to the touch. The baby rabbit also
may seem indiferent to nursing even though they obviously need food.
AND they will be holding their faces up in the air rather than looking
for a nipple. These are not getting enough milk. Check their noses
to see if they are visibly clogged with a yellowish crust. They cannot
nurse if their nose holes are not clear. Get a warm we paper town
and gently hold the tip of the wet paper towl to the crust. You don't
want to get their body wet or get water in their nose - but you need
to use the warm water to loosen the hard crust. Be patient because
it may take a little while. Once the crust is a little softer you
can take a needle or pin and GENTLY remove the crust from the nose.
It should come right off in one little glob. Now you can put them
back on the mom to nurse. You should see an immediate difference
in their interest
to nurse. They will be pretty frantic but they will be weak so it may
not last long. The key with these babies is to catch the problem right
away.
Peeing: If
the mother is not taking care of them, the babies will sometimes need
to be cleaned and assisted to pee. The cleaning part is usually as
they get a week or 2 old. You can gently wipe their body with a warm
paper towel and then dry. Make sure they don't get cold and don't soak
them. Newborns usually don't need to be cleaned. But the newborns sometimes
need assistance to pee. The mother rabbit usually takes care of this
by grooming the babies as they nurse. It doesn't have to be done by
you constantly, and doesn't have to be done to everyone. If you see
a baby that always seems fat BEFORE each feeding but you know it hasn't
eaten, then it may need to pee. You can take a wet paper towel and
gently use the tiny tip of the towel to touch around the rabbit genital
area. This will stimulate them to pee. It will usually only be 1 or
2 tiny drops. You don't need to rub them and don't use a cloth towel.
Just the teeny end of a wet paper towel. Once they have their eyes
open you will no longer need to do this.
Cannibalism: This
can happen for many reasons. If the doe is a first time mother, if
she is confused, if she is upset, more often during the winter and
colder months, if she has a baby on the wire, if she does not have
a nest box available, etc. Don't be discouraged. Although it is shocking and sad, it is not completely unusual. This can even happen with experienced does in the colder months or if the doe is bred in quick succession. Basically she is upset or is unready for the litter. If she is a first time mom, usually the second litter will be much better. If she is an experienced mom she will usually do better the next time if the nest box is correct and if the weather is in the summer or early fall.
Foster
Method #3 - Finally as a last resort, you can try to feed the babies
yourself. This is very difficult
and we have had very limited success with this method. You can give
them warmed kitten milk (found at pet stores), goats milk, and un-flavored
pedialyte. Mix that with a drop of symethicone (baby gas-x) and a tiny
bit of acidopholus powder (found at any drug store usually in pill form).
Kitten nipples are way to big. You will need very tiny zoological nipples
on a syringe or small 2oz bottle. You can find them at Petco/Petsmart
or at http://www.thesquirrelstore.com/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=54 .
Hold the babies so they are comfortable - DO
NOT FEED THEM WHILE THEY ARE ON THEIR BACK or they will aspirate
and die. Gently hold them upright in
your hand with their head between your circled thumb and fingers. Put
a drop of liquid on the side of their 'cheek' next to the mouth. That
way it will run into their mouth and they can lick it up. - make sure
it does not go in their nose and make sure you do not feed them too
quickly so that they inhale the liquid, this will kill them. They really
only need a few drops (few cc's) for newborns before they will be full.
Make sure you don't continue to feed the baby rabbit more than they
need or they will start to inhale it. They should fall asleep either
while you are feeding them or very quickly after. This will let you
know that they have eaten.
Peanuts
- The picture to the right is of a Holland Lop peanut. Peanuts are caused
by 2 dwarf genes (1 from each parent) being passed to the baby. They
are somewhat common in the dwarf breeds (dwarfs / hollands). The
baby cannot live and is usually visibly deformed at birth. The baby
usually dies within a few hours but can sometimes live even a couple
weeks. The ears are a good indicator of a peanut - they will be much
much smaller than usual. Also the head is usually disproportionately
large to the body, and the limbs are small and deformed.
Babies
growing up - the kits are born bald, blind and deaf. They can get
cold extremely easy and therefore must be fully
covered by their mother's nest hair and straw. Their mother will bathe
them and feed them a few times a day. They will get tiny baby 'fuzz' all
over their bodies within a day or so (see left picture). Usually with
first time mothers I leave the babies alone for 2 days and then I will
start to handle them. With an experience mother we gently pick up the
babies almost from day one. Their ears will come up at about 1 1/2 weeks
which is also when they will open their eyes. We continued to handle them
as they grow in order to keep them friendly. They will hop out of the
nest box around 2 1/2 weeks. At that point remove the nest box, sterilize
it and let it completely dry in the sun. The babies will start to sample
food at about 3 weeks. They will also quickly learn to use the water bottle
from watching their mother. Netherlands and the smaller breed mature more
quickly than the larger rabbits. Typically ours are weaned at around 5
weeks although they may try to sneak a drink from mom if they can manage
it. By then they are eating and drinking and eating hay. You can leave
the babies together for quite a while if you need to. Rabbits sexually
mature around 4 months so you will need to separate them by then. The
bucks may have started fighting already by that time. If you see the baby
bucks starting to fight then you need to separate them. Eventually they
may kill each other if left alone. Does raised together from a young age
usually continue to get along. Older bucks or older does that are introduced
to each other will typically fight. So if you are getting 2 rabbits (and
don't want babies) then make sure you get 2 does that were raised together
or that are together when they are young.
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